End of Decade Poll

For the dwindling few who still post here...a Giant End of Decade Poll!...in case you need something to do while nursing a hangover tomorrow :)

Poll applies to anything between 2010-2019. Feel free to answer for just WAG or MAG or one for both.
Note: “Best” usually means best objectively (although there's still subjectivity in how you interpret "best"), while“Favorite” means your personal fave, no holds barred, no wrong opinions.

Favorite World Championships:
Least Favorite World Championships :
Favorite Olympic Games:

Favorite Moment of the decade:
Least Favorite Moment of the decade:
Most Surprising Victory of the decade:
Most Surprising Loss/Defeat of the decade:
Most Inspiring Victory of the decade:
Most Disappointing Loss/Defeat of the decade:

Best AA performance of the decade:
Favorite AA performance of the decade:
Best Vault of the decade:
Favorite Vault of the decade:
Best Bar Routine of the decade:
Favorite Bar Routine of the decade:
Best Beam Routine of the decade:
Favorite Beam Routine of the decade:
Best Floor Routine of the decade:
Favorite Floor Routine of the decade:

Best Coach of the decade:
Favorite Coach of the decade:
Best AA Gymnast of the decade:
Favorite AA Gymnast of the decade:
Best Vaulter of the decade:
Favorite Vaulter of the decade:
Best Uneven Bar Worker of the decade:
Favorite Uneven Bar Worker of the decade:
Best Balance Beam Worker of the decade:
Favorite Balance Beam Worker of the decade:
Best Floor Worker of the decade:
Favorite Floor Worker of the decade:

(Next 5 are a combination of Best & Favorite. They can be the team that won it the most, or the team you feel best contributed to revolutionizing/stylizing/enhancing what the sport and apparatus should/can be)
Overall Team of the decade:
Vaulting team of the decade:
Uneven Bars team of the decade:
Beam team of the decade:
Floor team of the decade:

Favorite Skill of the decade (name one overall and/or by apparatus as you choose):
Most overused Skill of the decade (name one overall and/or by apparatus as you choose):
Most underrated Gymnast of the decade:
Unluckiest Gymnast of the decade:
Best Comeback of the decade:
Most improved Gymnast of the decade:
Best Gym Blog of the decade:
Most Informative/Helpful Gym Blog of the decade:

Best tumbler of the decade:
Most artistic gymnast of the decade:
Most original gymnast of the decade:
Best form of the decade:

Which routine in the decade made you the most nervous watching, gripping your seat, to see if the gymnast would hit?
What moment did you most disagree with? (Coach's decision, judge's decision, selection decision, anything...):
What gymnast were you not a fan of initially, but grew to be a fan of?
What moment filled you with unforgettable happiness and joy?
What moment filled you with utter despair and depression?
What was your favorite podium? (Any year, any event. What podium most made you sigh with contentment and think, “this is the JUST as it should be.”)

End of Decade Poll

Elise Ray Question

Guys, I remember years ago there was a discussion that mentioned how Elise Ray had faced some teasing in school for being in gymnastics. I wanted to find the info again to help someone out but I can't find the post. Does anyone remember the details and could you possibly refresh me on what happened?

Elise Ray Question

What would you want in a Gymnternet app/site?

Hey all,

Just asking what the title says, basically! My group in coding bootcamp is trying to decide on a project, and I was thinking how we kind of need a site for the gymnternet, as this one isn't modded anymore so nobody new can join. What features would you like to see if someone were creating a site for this community? (Yes, it's for a class, but actually enacting it wouldn't necessarily be a problem.)

What would you want in a Gymnternet app/site?

Would You Buy a Cameo Shoutout From an Elite Gymnast?

Interestingly, there are 5 gymnasts that are part of the lineup.

Nadia Comaneci: https://www.cameo.com/comaneci10
Peng Peng Lee: https://www.cameo.com/pengpenglee
Paul Ruggeri: https://www.cameo.com/paul_ruggeri
Bridget Sloan: https://www.cameo.com/bridgetsloan
Carly Patterson: https://www.cameo.com/carlypatterson

Except for Patterson, they all seem to charge reasonable rates. If you could get a personalized shoutout from any gymnast of your choosing, (regardless if they're on Cameo) who would it be and what would you want them to say? If Shushunova was still around I would've happily paid through the nose (or even a vital organ) for a shoutout from her.

Would You Buy a Cameo Shoutout From an Elite Gymnast?

2004 us Olympic trials

Can someone please upload day 1 for the women in full
Thank you

2004 us Olympic trials

Beam Countdown (110-101)

Hi, folks. My name is Bobby. I post infrequently. Years ago, I was a member of a community called Gymworld. It was hosted by a dude in Belgium or Germany, I believe, and he got into some kind of criminal trouble and the forum was shut down. Thus, I came here right before the 2012 Olympic Games.

One thing I did every year on the Gymworld board was a countdown of all my favorite beam routines. People seemed to like it, and I don't want to be presumptuous and assume everyone will love it here, but I'm going forward anyway.

I have renal failure and narcolepsy and an autoimmune condition, so I got disability three ways and I have little to do other than go to dialysis and read and watch TV/movies. Therefore, I decided to bring this back up. I hope you enjoy it. And please don't get mad if your favorite isn't ranked highly or is ranked more lowly than someone you don't like.

Yes, some of the routines contain falls and other errors, but most of those will be in the 80-110 range.

I did all four events for WAG on Gymworld, and I always start with beam because it's my favorite event to watch. After this, I will do UB, then Vault and then Floor (my least favorite these days for the women).

Countdown starts in next post …

Beam Countdown (110-101)

Quad Somersault/Double Kovacs on HB---caught!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4AIgatB...=14g4ck7cs2r4n

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN. (Not to mention a triple pike dismount for sh*ts and giggles.)

Quad Somersault/Double Kovacs on HB---caught!

Gymnastics Australia

So Mihai is done as of November: http://www.gymnastics.org.au/Ga/Post...AUSTRALIA.aspx

I'm wondering if someone like a Mary Anne Monckton or an Allana Slater would be considered for a job like this? Why not get an Australian whom has been through the system in recent years to try and right the ship? that said, I was surprised they did as well as they did at Worlds, starting on beam, first subdivision, injuries, etc.. Yet only finished one spot way from qualifying a team..

Gymnastics Australia

Nelli Kim Olympic Channel podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...vC7GVPVZJyNjL0

Have y'all heard this?

There are moments that left me speechless.
But I LOVE what she said at 22 mins about coaches needing an education in psychology and about the need for the coach to adopt a scientific approach towards their athletes. AMEN. That is a concept that could and really should be evolved by the FIG.

Nelli Kim Olympic Channel podcast

Team GB

After these worlds, the men’s team has two spots pretty much taken. Barring injury, Joe Fraser since he’s a good AA gymnast and now a World Champion and Max are basically on the team. The hunger games fight for the other two spots will be interesting. Obviously the remaining members of this years world team have an advantage over others but it will be a dog fight that’s for sure. I can’t believe FIG thought it would be a ‘good’ idea to make 4 member teams.

Team GB

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Event Finals

Forum died for most of day one...


Here are the Results...



MAG FX

1. Carlos Yulo, Philippines, 15.300
2. Artem Dolgopyat, Israel, 15.200
3. Xiao Ruoteng, China, 14.933
4. Artur Dalaloyan, Russia, 14.800
5. Lin Chaopan, China, 14.700
6. Nikita Nagornyy, Russia, 14.166
7. Kim Han-sol, South Korea, 13.833
8. Dominick Cunningham, Great Britain, 13.566



WAG VT

1. Simone Biles, United States, 15.399
2. Jade Carey, United States, 14.883
3. Ellie Downie, Great Britain, 14.816
4. Shallon Olsen, Canada, 14.733
5. Qi Qi, China, 14.650
6. Alexa Moreno, Mexico, 14.633
7. Lilia Akhaimova, Russia, 14.366
8. Yeo Seo-jeong, South Korea, 14.183



MAG PH

1. Max Whitlock, Great Britain, 15.500
2. Lee Chih-Kai, Taiwan, 15.433
3. Rhys McClenaghan, Ireland, 15.400
4. Zou Jingyuan, China, 15.000
5. Kazuma Kaya, Japan, 14.866
6. Cyril Tommasone, France, 14.833
7. Shiao Yu-Jan, Taiwan, 14.733
8. David Belyavskiy, Russia, 13.566
9. Daiki Hashimoto, Japan, 13.333



WAG UB

1. Nina Derwael, Belgium, 15.233
2. Becky Downie, Great Britain, 15.000
3. Sunisa Lee, United States, 14.800
4. Angelina Melnikova, Russia, 14.733
5. Sunisa Lee, United States, 14.700
6. Daria Spiridonova, Russia, 14.633
7. Liu Tingting, China, 14.400
8. Elisabeth Seitz, Germany, 13.566



MAG SR

1. Ibrahim Colak, Turkey, 14.933
2. Marco Lodadio, Italy, 14.900
3. Samir Aït Saïd, France, 14.800
4. Eleftherios Petrounias, Greece, 14.733
5. Arthur Zanetti, Brazil, 14.725
6. Denis Abliazin, Russia, 14.666
7. Artur Tovmasyan, Armenia, 14.200
8. Nick Klessing, Germany, 14.166

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Event Finals

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Mens AA Final

About to begin...


Live Scores:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...ult/Phase/Live

Start List & Schedule:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...2019&time=1600

FIG Live Stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf5Tly8slUM

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Mens AA Final

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Womens AA Final

About to begin...


Live Scores:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...ult/Phase/Live


Start List & Schedule:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...2019&time=1600


FIG Live Stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHZvCP6IHWY

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Womens AA Final

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Mens Team Final

About to begin...


Live Scores:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...ult/Phase/Live

Start List:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...2019&time=1345

FIG Live Stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrBhf1xjKB0

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Mens Team Final

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Womens Team Final

About to begin!


Live Scores:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...ult/Phase/Live


Start List:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...2019&time=1430


FIG Stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdAzj4K7_ok

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Womens Team Final

2019 Worlds - Men's Qualifications

Anyone watching Russian men?

Nikita just rocked a gorgeous floor routine, but still with room to improve. 14.9. He looks cleaner overall on floor than last year.
Dalaloyan doesn't look quite as sharp to me as last year, but had a good set for a 14.733
Abliazin didn't even compete. Just touched and saluted. I take it David is alternate or too injured for floor?

2019 Worlds - Men's Qualifications

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Womens Qualification

Start List & Schedule:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/.../en-us/Default

Live Scoring:
https://gym.longinestiming.com/2019/...ult/Phase/Live




Subdivision 1 has just completed.


1 Australia 157.945
2 Ukraine 156.961



Australia not counting any falls, but some routines could definitely have been better...

Ukraine having to count two scores in the 11s on beam ... Otherwise pretty good on the other events...



Godwin & Varinska look good for AA final...

2019 Worlds Stuttgart - Womens Qualification

2019 World Doha - Womens Qualification

ETA: Stuttgart Not DOHA! :rolleyes:


Use other thread.

2019 World Doha - Womens Qualification

2019 Worlds Prediction Contest - I forgot again: TEN YEAR ANNIVERSARY!

I forgot again! I'm sure I would have remembered once prelims started and I wasn't messing around with spreadsheets, haha. But happy to get this up in time; thanks London2012!

It's been TEN YEARS of Prediction Contest fun! Thank you to everyone who has had fun playing this little game!

We're using Google Forms again to submit predictions so visit the links below!

Click HERE to submit your predictions!

Reminders for this year:
- I will NOT be accepting ANY forum submissions for predictions as long as the form is working well. If you post your predictions in this thread but do not submit them via the webform, your responses will NOT be entered and recorded.
- PLEASE save a hard copy of your predictions elsewhere in case the spreadsheet goes paflooey. I suggest copying them into this thread, but remember that I will NOT be using them as your official predictions unless something goes wrong (and I will notify everyone if that is the case).
- You CAN edit your predictions after you make them; just make sure to save the "Edit Response" link when you first submit so you can access it later. Your unique link will work up until I close down the ability to edit.

Rules for the actual point tallying are the same as before, which I will quote below:

Quote:

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The rules are really simple. You post your predictions for the medal podium of each event, plus one alternate per podium.

Points
5 points --- each correct medal prediction
2.5 points --- each correct top 3 prediction, but incorrect medal prediction
.5 point --- if your alternate wins a medal.

For example, in '10 this was my AA prediction:

AA:
1 Musty
2 Bross
3 Aly
Alt: Jiang Yuyuan

The actual result was 1st: Musty, 2nd: Jiang, 3rd Bross. I received 5 points for correctly predicting Musty's medal position, 2.5 points for putting Bross on the podium but in the wrong position, and .5 points for having my alternate Jiang medal, for a total of 8 points. I didn't receive any points for Aly, since she didn't make the podium.

In the case of a tie for a medal, you still only receive points for each correct PLACEMENT. If Kyla and Simone tie in AA and you had them 1-2, you would receive 7.5 points for correctly predicting the gold medalist but incorrectly predicting the silver medalist (which would correctly be no one). If you like to tempt fate, feel free to put ties as your prediction BUT you may not have more than 3 people per podium plus one alternate (i.e. no eight way tie for gold! :p ;) )

Predictions are locked the day after prelims are completed, (before MAG TF starts) with NO EDITING ALLOWED. This gives everyone the best idea of who will be competing for the medals, but does not account for last minute substitutions due to federation swapping or injury. You are not required to predict your podium out of the official start list but may substitute anyone as you see fit; heck, put anyone on there! Do as you please. :)

The contest will run for WAG and MAG, and then one combined for those who submit in both categories. You are free to predict all the events or just a few; whatever you like. :) No deducting points for wrong answers, so why not? ;)

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Predictions will CLOSE at (time TBD but right before MAG TF starts. You are welcome to make any changes to your predictions up until that point, but not after. Absolutely no editing or substitutions after the closing time will be allowed, so make sure you double and triple check! :)

Looking forward to another fun year!

History:
Originator: Kennedy
2010 Worlds - Winner: Moi! :D
2011 Worlds - WAG Winner: utesrockthehouse / MAG Winner: nlm2183 / Overall: JennFyre
2012 Olympics - WAG Winner: euphrosyna / MAG Winner: schood85 / Overall: schood85
2013 Worlds - WAG Winner: piday / MAG Winner: kochetkovafan / Overall: kochetkovafan
2014 Worlds - WAG Winner: London2012 / MAG Winner: FlippinTitan10 / Overall: kanaevafan
2015 Worlds - WAG Winner: Agags / MAG Winner: Szczecin / Overall: Szczecin
2016 Rio Olympics - WAG Winner: Cinnamon Mockingbird/ MAG Winner: FlippinTitan10/ Overall: FlippinTitan10
2017 Worlds - WAG Winner: London2012 / MAG Winner: szczecin / Overall: szczecin
2018 Worlds - WAG Winner: Kristina / MAG Winner: FlippinTitan10 / Overall: Kristina

2019 Worlds Prediction Contest - I forgot again: TEN YEAR ANNIVERSARY!

Worlds Prediction Game

Anyone want to set this up lol

Worlds Prediction Game

The Biles on beam is...an H??

They gave Simone's double-double off beam an H. Which is insane.

Or, as she put it: bull****.

What is the logic here? Is it just that they had such a hard time breaking the G barrier on beam? If the double tuck is a D, and the tucked full-in is a G, then...

The Biles on beam is...an H??

Websites for Information Worlds Stuttgart 2019

Official website

https://www.stuttgart2019.de/en/tickets/


Olympic Channel

https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/st...-30-september/



GUYS - add whatever websites you think is helpful!

Websites for Information Worlds Stuttgart 2019

Worlds Telecasts?

Do we know when NBC and CBC will be televising Worlds this year?

Worlds Telecasts?

Team Selection Idea

So I was thinking about recent discussion about selection processes and wondered if a World-Cup points-style selection would work. Just for fun, I applied a points system to this year's athletes to see what World Team it would give us.

How it Works: Athletes receive points for placing in the TOP 4 of designated events. 1st place = 4 points, 2nd place = 3 points, 3rd place = 2 points, 4th place = 1 point.

1. Athletes ONLY receive points if they place in the top 4 of an event. The reasoning for this is that the best team is made up of athletes who contribute high scores to a 3-up situation, and/or are a good backup for Team Finals. In other words, you can't just be a nice, consistent 6th on everything and build up points. You need to be capable of a team finals-worthy routine to get points on it at all.

2. Athletes can earn points by placement on events at Nationals and Selection Camp. Their total points are added up and the top 5 athletes give you your team.

So this year, the standings (and points) would be:

1. Biles (25)
2. Lee (16)
3. Eaker (11)
4. Carey (10)
5. Wong (6)
6. Hurd/McCallum/Chiles (3)
7. Skinner (2)
8. Torrez/Thomas (1)

So the team would be Biles, Lee, Eaker, Carey, and Wong. Alternate would be a judgment call, but my vote would be McCallum because she earned points on 3 events, so would be a good all-around backup.

I realize this hurts someone like Skinner, who only recently came back so is naturally improving with each meet. Or could hurt someone who was injured at Nationals but ready for selection. But overall I like the concept of it.

It's clear, objective, based on performance, and based on ranking. But unlike All-Around rankings, the standings are based on what you contribute to Team Finals events. By limiting points to the top 4 placements, there is a natural cap on how many gymnasts can get points for an event, preventing the Final Point totals from having too many good gymnasts on one event and not enough on another (if that makes sense).

Team Selection Idea

Naming Rights - Triple Double

So I would LOVE nothing more than for Simone to have her Triple Double on floor to get named after her but it seems Jade is also training it. Do people think she will try it at Worlds? I mean, it looks more like a layout but still...

Naming Rights - Triple Double

US Women's Team Poll

Selection Camp is this weekend!

Use the poll as to which 5 other girls (besides Simone) will make the cutoff. Alternate will be decided after podium, so there is no real point in picking 5. I think I will post another Monday morning to see how the first day of camp changes people's opinions. AA from Camp streams on YouTube Sunday at 4:45 est

US Women's Team Poll

Bruno Grandi Passes

Hi all,
Bruno Grandi passed away today. I think he'll be know for change more than anything else.

Gaurav

Bruno Grandi Passes

Ncaa 2019-2020

New academic year, new thread? (I couldn't find the old one. :p)

Ncaa 2019-2020

Russian Appreciation Thread

Finally a wolf turn I don't hate!

https://youtu.be/CFgL96YKhyk?t=45

Russian Appreciation Thread

Haney Under Investigation

Maggie Haney is now being iinvestigated


https://www.ocregister.com/2019/08/1...investigation/

Haney Under Investigation

Question about dance elements vs tumbling and injuries

I was thinking back on Sanne's beam routine and that the Netherlands team tends to incorporate far more dance elements into its routines than other gymnasts. So given the high injury rates across the sport, I'm curious why there isn't more of a reliance on dance elements? Wouldn't they take some of the load off of the body and lower the overall likelihood/rates of injury or lower the impact on an already injured area? Is it that coaches are largely in a tumbling mindset and not used to building routines around dance elements like the Netherlands or something else?

Question about dance elements vs tumbling and injuries

U.S. Women's AA poll

Morgan, Riley, Kara, Grace, Sunisa...regardless of who makes up the World team, only 2, at most, can do AA. So who should they be? Sunisa put herself in a great spot, but Nationals is only 1 competition. If she places 4th AA at camp, will she lose her grip on an AA spot? A lot of people might cut Riley out for inconsistency, but what if she places 2nd at camp? Or does none of that matter that much?

So vote for your two. This is who you WANT to see get the chance to do AA in qualifications.

U.S. Women's AA poll

Men's US World Team Poll

Mikulak, Moldauer, and Wiskus are looking good. Who should get the other 2 spots?

Men's US World Team Poll

Nabieva to Bless the US With An Appearance

On 8/20, the city of Albany, NY will have the honor of welcoming Our Queen of Not Giving A F*ck, Ms. Tatiana Nabieva. She, along with Danuisa Francis, Katelyn Ohashi and other will compete in what's called the Auroragames. It's kind of a US vs the World type competition from what I've gathered.

Gymnastics site: https://auroragamesfestival.com/event/gymnastics/

Game site in general: https://auroragamesfestival.com/

Behold, the best beam routine ever:

https://youtu.be/JxQaqLYMnQM

Nabieva to Bless the US With An Appearance

2019 US Championships

I haven't seen a specific thread for it yet so here we are.

https://www.usgymchampionships.com/

Men's Junior's Live

2019 US Championships

Body Positive Guidelines

Has anyone seen the new Body Positive Guidelines set out by Australian Gymnastics?

You can read them if you go to this link, then scroll down the page to open up the document.

http://www.gymnastics.org.au/GA/Athl...6-1b2f7e858979

I was pleasantly surprised to find they were really well thought out. They talk about trying to avoid body-shape comments in general, whether positive or negative, and instead focus on praising an athlete's strength or technique.

They set minimum ages and maximum frequency for body assessments being done, require athlete and parent permission for body assessments to be done, and require athlete and parent permission for that info to be shared with coaches.

They discourage coaches from discussing nutrition plans with athletes, instead recommending that coaches bring in qualified nutritionists.

They recognize that any nutritional or body concerns should be done privately, not in front of others, and they discourage making comparisons between other athletes.

I realize you can type out all the nice, healthy sentences in the world, but you can't ensure coaches actually follow them. However, if you make guidelines like this a requirement for your members, it does give athletes, parents, and the gym organization some teeth in the event a coach fails to follow them.

I don't know if the USA has put out anything like this in any of their new policies, but these would be good ones if they haven't.

Body Positive Guidelines

Olympic Channel Documentary

The first episode of the Olympic Channel's documentary on Hurd, Melnikova and Chen Yile is up:

https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/or...mpression=true

Chen Yile has not seen her family is 2 years. That is a narrative that we hear a lot in fluff pieces - that Chinese gymnasts sacrifice their family and childhood. Not being too familiar with the details of some centralized systems, does anyone know if that rate of seeing family members (for lack of a better way of putting it) is similar for the Russian and Romanian athletes? Is it forbidden for families to see their kids/gymnasts in China during training (before you jump on me for that word, it was "forbidden" for US parents to see their kids at competitions...), or is it a matter of distance and transport? Surely the gymnasts get some holidays off (New Years?) and so could be visited by their families?

It seems like Russian athletes also don't see their families a lot? Melnikova seems like such a sympathetic character, very easy to like. The competition footage of her is really nice.

Cool to see Chow laughing while coaching the gymnasts.

Olympic Channel Documentary

Marie Claire Article Re: Miss Val...What is Going On?

(EDIT: sorry about the thread title—my computer kept auto correcting my attempted titles to MARIE CLAIRE article :) instead of MARIA CAIRE article—the article is from the LA TIMES..I thought I fixed it but it reverted back before I posted the thread and i don’t know how to edit a thread title)


http://https://www.latimes.com/calif...sions-20190721



Forgive me if this has already been discussed on the board here somewhere, I couldn’t find anything on it. I only heard about this after listening to the Gymcastic podcast, during which Jessica declined to comment due to conflicts of interest and while Spencer did go into some detail about the controversy, he didn’t seem to have any answers or insight regarding the controversy—only questions.

I assumed initially, it was likely just a case where something Miss Val had done something for good and altruistic reasons (however unusual in a characteristically Miss Val way)—that had been misconstrued and swept into the wave of stories that has been coming out for the past few months about college applicants being unfairly admitted as student athletes, whether in exchange for some financial “gift” or other quid-pro-quo, including social/familial connection to an individual in a position to fast-track someone’s acceptance on the basis of their potential as an athletes who could contribute as a member of their team’s roster.

However, after reading the article I was really struck by some of the details that, if they are indeed true, would seem to suggest that, at best, the situation in question was one where Miss Val was aware of an applicant, because of her relationship with the applicant’s uncle, who possessed character traits/strengths with which this prospective student could contribute/or even make herself an asset as a participant within the athletic program in some form/fashion. And even though, it seems pretty evident, Miss Val would have had to have known that contribution wasn’t ever going as an athlete on the gymnastics team, she named Maria Caire as a recruit for the 2016 roster to ensure her place at UCLA, with the intention of moving her to a managerial role as early as possible (where maybe Miss Val did believe this student, for whatever reasons, could make the kind of difference that would justify the way she’d secured her admission.

At worst, I guess, Miss Val used her position to do a favor for a friend—which I know doesn’t begin to compare to similar college admissions revelations of late.

I think I just didn’t think of Miss Val as someone who would ever participate in that type of thing—in any sort of way.

I’m maybe though, as Spencer noted in the podcast, more bothered by all of attempts to suggest that this (now) manager (who, due to a health restriction revealed in pre-season medical tests, never spent a day actually practicing gymnastics with the UCLA team, which has meant that, in the absence of any official or even informal (ie. recollection of other gymnasts of this person ever having set foot in the gym where UCLA claims she’d done her training) record or her having any experience with the sport, is also without the benefit of of her fellow UCLA gymnasts from the 2016 being able to testify to having witnessed her doing gymnastics), I’m think I’m more bothered by the quotes in the article where Miss Val and the UCLA spokesperson attempt to claim this was a legitimate recruit who they believed “could help the team on vault’?? ...even comparing her to Ariana Berlin????

As Spencer mentioned, Miss Val has taken athletes on the team before who she (and they) knew would never compete, but wanted to be a part of the program, of the team, and have been valuable as they have contributed in other ways—why wouldn’t she just frame her answers to the many questions this story has raised in that sort of way? Instead of this whole pile of whatever that seems completely unbelievable...?

The whole thing is just seems really strange and inconsistent with the characterization of this legendary coach that so many gymnasts testify to.

Unless maybe there is a whole other side to what is set out in this article that I’m unaware of?
Thats why I wanted to ask about it here.

Does anyone have any more information regarding this story? Is there something that the Maria Caire article in the LA Times didn’t get right?

Marie Claire Article Re: Miss Val...What is Going On?

2019 GK US Classic

Podium training is live. They're having that weird USAG video sound/echo issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1JDPSRR0BI

https://www.usagymclassic.com/

2019 GK US Classic

Katelyn Ohashi Wins Best Play at the Espys

And uses the time to read a poem she wrote about women in media, sports, and the world.



https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9000006.html

She is awesome. Would love to see her go into coaching if she wants.

Katelyn Ohashi Wins Best Play at the Espys

Favorite Routines You've Seen in Person

So, I've been to quite a few elite gym meets since '96 and its lovely whenever you can remember the awe you felt when seeing a routine live, in person. One of my favorites that comes to mind was Shawn Johnson's 2006 beam routine. The main thing was her layout. I see now that form and technique/execution were not terribly stellar, but I still love that layout, lol.



I also remember Lilia Podkopayeva's compulsory floor in 1996. Loved everything about it because I love everything about her gymnastics (mostly):

youtube;_8UQz6pJZu4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8UQz6pJZu4

Trying to keep this place a bit livelier than its been. It helps me keep my sanity while I'm at work, lol. Please post your favorite routines you've seen in person.

Favorite Routines You've Seen in Person

Summer Universiade

There's a link to the competition here:

https://livestream.com/FISU/events/8723838

Summer Universiade

gym catch up

Hey guys, who is still around from the glory days of this forum? Kitty here? lol I really haven't kept up with gym nearly as intense as I used to in the last five or six years but I check back every now and then to see if there's any inspiring activity going on and it really seems like WAG has stalled in the last few years.

Anyway what's new in the gym world? Who is dominating? Who is up and coming? What's up with Rus, Rom, China as of late. Been seeing some Romanian headlines here and there and it sounds like Melnikova is basically the only name Russia has floating around? Komova finally retire?

Who is inspiring to everyone right now? What gymnasts are keeping your interests? What new skills are there etc?

gym catch up

European Games Minsk 2019 - Artistic Gymnastics

The European Games are on in Minsk now and the Gymnastics Quals is finished.

http://www.ueg.org/event/2019-european-games/results


Results of Quals:

http://backend.ueg.org/sites/default..._70B%201.0.pdf

Some videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5OOvPzKjRA

So far Melka is in the lead in the women's AA qualifications.

European Games Minsk 2019 - Artistic Gymnastics

Junior World Championships

I can't believe we haven't created this thread yet.

This forum really is dying. :(

Thoughts?

Updates?

Results...

Junior World Championships

British Gymnastics 2019 and Beyond

European Games are on and Team GB gymnasts arrived yesterday to Minsk with their coaches.

From Brinn Bevan’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/p/BzIDLmyh...=18sl6zfa46nzi

British Gymnastics 2019 and Beyond

Dutch Gymnastics

Competitive championship for both men and women this year in the AA. Lieke Wevers finishing second with a 53.80 is impressive.
I can totally see a team of Eythora, Naomi, Lieke and Sanne with an AA as alternate.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thegymter...90410515914754

Dutch Championships AA

🥇 Naomi Visser 54.167
🥈 Lieke Wevers 53.800
🥉 Laura de Witt 51.667

Dutch Gymnastics

US BB Coach Questions

How often does the club beam coach attend meets with US athletes? I remember Shannon talking about Steve and Peggy always being with her but Shawn and Aly seem to imply it's just the male coach. Are they always at Nationals?

Also, who was Shannon's female coach in 2000? There's a blonde woman with Steve at Olympic Trials since Peggy was in Australia, but the commentators acted like she never existed.

US BB Coach Questions

Baby News

Didn’t see another open thread to put this in but perhaps we can add others whom are expecting here as well. I guess she for sure is not coming back anytime soon as Vasiliki Miloussi is expecting her first child with Eleftherios Petrounias..

https://www.instagram.com/p/Byxew3So...=1xeegh4uqgwup

Baby News

New book: "Gymnasts in Conversation - Volume One"

New book: "Gymnasts in Conversation - Volume One"

Interviews with 50 gymnasts who competed for their countries from the 1950s to the 2010s. Includes interviews with Maria Filatova, Mitch Gaylord, Scott Johnson, Eugenia Golea, Celestina Popa, Keith Langley, Eythora Thorsdottir, Rhys McClenaghan, Natalia Yurchenko, Rustam Sharipov, Elvira Saadi, Elfi Schlegel, Hana Ricna, Craig Heap and many more!


http://www.lulu.com/shop/karen-louis...84PJIvDs8jirOI

New book: "Gymnasts in Conversation - Volume One"

Are they still training / competiting elite

I was wondering if anyone knows the status of some of these gymnasts that either competed elite or trained elite -

Annie Beard- I know she was injured last year but she has yet to compete this year too- any chance of seeing her elite this year??

Jafree Scott

Hannah Hagle

Victoria Smirnov

Jaymes Marshall

Are they still training / competiting elite

2019 US Men Gymnastics Worlds Team Poll

Who will make the team? 5 spots, I believe.

2019 US Men Gymnastics Worlds Team Poll

2019 US Gymnastics Worlds Women Team Poll

Looks like there are 5 spots again this year- anyone know if Jade Carey, Jordan Chiles, Laurie Hernandez, and Mykayla Skinner are competing for those?

2019 US Gymnastics Worlds Women Team Poll

USA Senior-Junior Team Dynamic

Something I was thinking about, how much do the US Seniors know about the junior team? Especially those who won't be eligible for the next quad? For example, how familiar would Gabby and Aly have been prior to their comebacks with gymnasts like Simone, Laurie, Madison, etc.? Or the 2008 girls with the Fab Five? Are they like one team together or is it really 2 programs within one?

Also there was an article years ago mentioning how Spain's female gymnasts aren't allowed to associate with the Male gymnasts because of their ages. Obviously USAG doesn't have this kind of rule since Aly talks about crushing on Jake Dalton, but do the women know the guys much outside of when they make a competition team together? Or is it more like pre 1996 where you basically meet at the airport?

USA Senior-Junior Team Dynamic

Japan World Teams 2019

These articles have most of the spots for the men’s and women’s teams listed. The men have two spots yet TBD while the women have one.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/.../#.XOFzkRZlCaM

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/.../#.XOF0MBZlCaM

Mai Murakami didn’t compete due to back pain; are they truly going to leave her off the team? Will Kohei and Kenzo be named to the two remaining spots?

Japan World Teams 2019

COP Question: Aerials & Onodis

I'm trying to remember, did the FIG change it so that doing a front aerial to one foot and to two feet are the same element and therefore can't be done in the same routine? Or am I thinking of something else? Also what about the Onodi and Worley (2 foot Onodi)?

Lastly, did anyone ever get around to attempting a gainer Onodi? I know Shayla was training one but I don't recall if anyone has ever competed it.

COP Question: Aerials & Onodis

What is this PH move called?

There's a thing on pommels where the guys swing forward with their legs on either side of the horse, then do a 1/2 turn with their hips and do the same thing facing the other direction. Is that a scissor? Ioana Crisan did something like it on beam from 2014-2016 and it looked SOOOO cool!

What is this PH move called?

Back to 5 person teams for 2024

Sorry if this isn't new news but it was for me. Looks like we're going back to 5 person teams for the 2024 games (still pending IOC approval though).
https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2019/...m-event-sizes/
I'm assuming that means we wont' worry about the mess of individuals qualifying any more.

Back to 5 person teams for 2024

"At the Heart of Gold" HBO documentary

At the Heart of Gold HBO documentary

https://ok.ru/video/1255802341946

"At the Heart of Gold" HBO documentary

Underrated on an Event

I'll start off

Courtney Kupets, Beam. Great variety, nice height on all of sher skills, great idfficulty for the time as well. She was also doing the patterson before Carly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-vBfMw7tTE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwm6c9v2LpM

Underrated on an Event

2020 Olympic Trials

It was just announced that the 2020 Olympic Trials will be held in St. Louis at the end of June next year.

2020 Olympic Trials

Renald Knysh Died

Saw on Wikipedia today that Olga Korbut's coach Renald Knysh died. I feel bad for her. I'm sure there are a lot of conflicting emotions swirling today. I'll be keeping her in my prayers-- and his other athletes too.

Renald Knysh Died

96 olympic question

I'm sure this has been answered a million times but I can't seem to find the answer. Why was Galieva's FX score so low... I vaguely remember something about SV, any help would be appreciated
completely random thought: it's so weird seeing Nassar in old comps knowing what we know now

96 olympic question

2019 Individual European Championships 10 – 14 April

It will start tomorrow!
Startlists:
http://www.ueg.org/event/2019-indivi...stics/overview

livestream on https://www.eurovisionsports.tv/ueg/

Live scoring on smartscoring.com

Official hashtag #ECSzczecin2019

2019 Individual European Championships 10 – 14 April

Fanny Cottencin?

On the 1998 American Cup vignette about Elvire Teza, there's a brunette gymnast who someone told me was Fanny Cottencin. I have never heard of her before and can't find anything about her, other than that she competed in the 1996 Junior Europeans for France.

Do any of you guys know more about her? I'm especially curious about her age -- she looked too old to be a junior in 1996.

Fanny Cottencin?

Gymcastic Transcripts

Does anyone know of where to find an archive of all the Gymcastic podcast transcripts? I found some of them, but it's only the first 50 or so. I'm especially looking for the one of Elvire Teza and Cecile Canqueteau.

If not, can podcasts be downloaded to save or can you only listen to them online?

Gymcastic Transcripts

Komova

Has she officially retired?

Komova

Brazilian Gymnastics

http://www.espn.com/olympics/gymnast...-brazil-banned

Brazilian Gymnastics

New Terminology Change?

I seem to recall on the old gym routines site, the low to high transition everyone does was called a toe on straddle catch. (Or free hop or Stalder straddle catch). Nowadays everyone calls them shoots, like toe shoot and Stalder shoot. Was this an official change or did the other site get it wrong? And if it was official, when and why did it happen?

Also, I remember when Terin Humphrey debuted her BB turn, they described it as a turn in side lunge. Nowadays it's called a wolf turn. Again, when and why did it change? (I personally think the first is more accurate as you start and finish sideways and many of them spend the turn sideways as well with only a handful hitting a wolf position at any point!)

New Terminology Change?

Riley's fall on vault.

It seems the US girls have been taking a lot of falls lately. Riley although beautiful to watch, fell on vault at the World Cup. Do you think the girls have more falls since Marta left? What do you think is the cause? All you gymnastics stats buffs, what's the score?

Riley's fall on vault.

Belgian Appreciation Thread and News

Most countries seem to have one and I couldn’t find one for Belgium. In important WAG news, Rune Hermans announced her retirement on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BvCjs6zH...d=2lciq4a2ef3r

I’m wondering whom will replace her? Any up and coming Belgian juniors that we should know about? She was a 2016 Olympian and competed at multiple international meets and the World Championships as well.

Belgian Appreciation Thread and News

New WAG Technical Help Desk Published

http://www.gymnastics.sport/publicdi...ition%207).pdf

The parts highlighted in green are those that are new. Here's a summary of the most important stuff:

"Switch leap with 1/2 or 1/1 turn must show a cross split position."

Scales on beam cannot receive CV if it includes grasping under the beam like in here: https://youtu.be/vsSt9QGX4Po

They're trying to kill the wolf turns: Lack of balance - If the gymnast loses her balance after turn in squat position or continues to sitting or lying down positions – apply deduction 0.10/0.30 (lack of balance).

New WAG Technical Help Desk Published

1992 Olympic Competition Question

I thought the Olympic competition alternated - one Games the men competed Saturday-Monday-Wednesday and the women Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday and then the next Games they switch. But in the Krista Quiner book about Shannon, they mentioned in 1992 the women competed Sunday-Tiesday etc, and I distinctly remember it was the same in 1996. I'm so confused - does anyone here remember and could clear this up?

1992 Olympic Competition Question

Books written by gymnasts.

One of my athletes has been letting me read her books written by gymnasts. I really thought the Kerri Strug one was the most in-depth and honest.

What are your favorites?

Books written by gymnasts.

Uzbekistan Gymnastics Appreciation Thread

Chuso has qualified to the vault and beam finals at the Melbourne World Cup.

Link to results here:
https://gymnasticsworldcup.com.au/results

Uzbekistan Gymnastics Appreciation Thread

The Return of Roxana Popa

February 8th, club competition. http://eng.gymnovosti.com/roxana-pop...n-three-years/

The Return of Roxana Popa

Brazilian Gymnastics

Per Daniele Hypolito’s IG, a gymnast from the Pinheiros club has died. What I can gather it was either a seizure of some kind. Very sad..

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsxSxGAA...d=fi3nxd5r6asy

Brazilian Gymnastics

MSU Mishandling of Abuse Scandal

MSU Interim President more than likely is going to be fired.. and he SHOULD be.. These people are learning NOTHING.. WTF..

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/s...dy-john-engler

MSU Mishandling of Abuse Scandal

January/February Digital Issue?

Is anyone else having trouble getting to the January February 2019 Digital issue? It's almost mid January and I have yet to get my email for it and it's not listed with my other issues when I go into my account.

January/February Digital Issue?

Rhonda Faehn, former USA Gymnastics executive, hired by Michigan

Here’s the article: http://www.espn.com/olympics/gymnast...tics-executive

Rhonda Faehn, former USA Gymnastics executive, hired by Michigan

Lopez on VT

hi all
Isn't the laidout pod on vt named after Denise Lopez? When did she actually do it to get named after her though?
thanks

Lopez on VT

USA Gymnastics has not paid U.S. men’s national team members this month

This is reprehensible.

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/01/1...4YVcKF_1mCGVcA

USA Gymnastics has not paid U.S. men’s national team members this month

Pki

Anyone know of the teams or individuals who will be competing at Parkettes this year? I haven't gone in years but I have a friend visiting from overseas who would like to ride along if I go. I went several times in tbe earlly 2000s and they used to draw big names. I know I saw Vise, Kupetts, Sacramone and more there in the past. Do they still draw some of the top girls? Just want to make sure it would be worth the trip since it's a few hours each way.

Pki