dimanche 27 novembre 2016

World's 2017 tix

It looks like the tickets for next year's World's will be on sale soon! I've only been to one competition, so I wanted to check in and see those of you who have more experience have recommendations for choosing seats, etc. I remember reading somewhere that sometimes people don't show up, and you can buy cheap seats then move down the day of the competition to a seat that remains empty. I don't remember what competition that was about, though. Is that fairly typical for these large meets as well?
World's 2017 tix

Lisa Skinner falls in Cirque performance

http://ift.tt/2guXbne

I hope she is ok, sounds scary.
Lisa Skinner falls in Cirque performance

mercredi 23 novembre 2016

Jessica Lopez/Lindsey Stirling FX Music

I seem to recall JLo performed to at least two different Lindsey Stirling FX pieces during ger career. Does anyone know which routines and which songs she used? Having recently become a fan of Lindsey's music I would love to see them.

Also do you know of any other gymnasts who have used Lindsey's music?
Jessica Lopez/Lindsey Stirling FX Music

The Compulsory Thread

Some people in the discussion about potential changes in gymnastics asked about what the compulsories were and how they worked. I thought it would be neat to compile videos of well-performed compulsories from different quads. I'm going to post back to about 1988 in this post, but feel free to add earlier routines or your favorites below! Those of us who loved the compulsories can share our love of them here!

(Edit: Note- I tried to include well-performed routines, but was limited by what I could find on YouTube.)

The gymnasts all had to perform the same routine, following the same choreography. While this might lead to you dreaming the floor music over and over again, it also allowed for direct comparison of execution. Usually the choreography was very well done.

1996:
Vault- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT5DZPdK7ME
Bars- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40N3OjOEjR8
Beam- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p0LjGnTGM0
Floor- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8UQz6pJZu4

1992:
Vault- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEimzJDoiq0
Bars- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zPp...65AECBA22364A9
Beam- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4LXfW0O18E
Floor- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx7tjVZtCbI

1988:
Vault- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl3eclKeuGA
Bars- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uwj3olAbk0
Beam- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Irt72l0Nk
Floor- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaKxA0fZvHc
The Compulsory Thread

mardi 22 novembre 2016

Korean Rhythmic Gymnast Son Yeon Jae in hot waters

I haven't been on here in ages but I wanted to share something with you... although it seems that there hasn't been much activity in the Rhythmic Gymnastics section of the forum.

Anyway, Son Yeon Jae, the rhythmic gymnast who placed 4th at Rio and once hailed something close to a media celebrity close to Kim Yuna's level, is now the public enemy after it's been questioned whether she has been given preferential/special treatment for her connection with the disgraced Korean president.

Long story short, the Korean president, Park Geun Hye, is very corrupt and has been using billions of dollars of government money to fund her close friends (and their friends) in their personal endeavors, and also putting pressure on different organizations to do favours for them. The key woman in this whole ordeal is Choi Soon Shil, who has been revealed to influence the President in the way of making decisions and speeches, and even has been receiving classified information for years. She got close to the as her father was a shaman fortuneteller and the president trusted this shaman fortuneteller... anyway, that's a long story. Basically, this is the biggest political scandal that Korea has ever seen.. and Korean politics has always been riddled with scandals -- so that's saying a lot. Anyway, the Korean people have reacted to this news very emotionally, hundreds of thousands gathering around the Blue House to demand that the president step down.


Anyway, back to Son; she was linked to the president and Choi Soon Shil for two things; one, she attended an exercise event that was run by the president and her personal friends (the president was in attendance too); two, she frequents a beauty clinic that the president also frequents (close to the point where she sent them gifts after her performance at Rio).

Everyone realizes that all of this could just be coincidence (For instance, male artistic gymnast Yang Hak Sun was also there but no one is accusing him of anything) but the people are accusing her because they are finding all this 'evidence' of special/preferential treatment that she seems to have gotten.

For instance, despite not being dominant in her sport at the world level, she's been given a sports award given by the Korean Government that even Kim Yuna has never won, despite not having a single Worlds or Olympic medal. Besides Son, all of the other winners are Olympic gold medalists, often several times, or have won a Worlds gold in their sport.

Another thing is that her mother had an access card to accompany her around restricted areas at Rio as well as her Russian coach, her Korean coach, her agency CEO, and her personal physical therapist. This is in stark contrast to the marathon team, who couldn't even have their coach accompany them, and the biggest star swimmer couldn't have his physical therapist and was only given 1 access card for his coach; the entire volleyball team had just 3 access cards, and also had to have their star player also act as their translator and their coach act as a doctor.

The other thing is that she was admitted to Yonsei University, the most prestigious university in Korea, without having made the academic cut. This is despite Yonsei not having much of a rhythmic gymnastics team. Despite not being able to attend her classes because she trains in Russia (classes are mandatory in Korea), she has not been kicked out. Seeing as the whole president scandal began with Choi Soon Shil's daughter Jung Yoora (who is a dressage athlete) being admitted to another prestigious university called Ewha university and passing all her classes without attending any of them, people are quite wary at this point about Son's situation as well.

Son's also skipped out on national team selection meets for the past number of years, each time because she "is in poor condition" but she goes to public events just fine. And of course, she's was still put on the national team each time.

Son Yeon Jae's biggest achievement is winning gold at the Asian Games, but her achievement even there is being questioned, as someone pointed out that she was seen hugging one of the judges after the meet.

She's been the talk of the town for the past several days because of this. With that said, for the past number of years, she's been getting lots of media attention; she takes months at a time away from her gym in Russia to appear on Korean TV, goes to events, etc, and is compared constantly to Kim Yuna. There were always a few Korean rhythmic gymnastics fans who realized that Son is not on the same level as Kim.... like... at ALL, but no one can deny that Son has a pretty face and that 'star quality'. But because of how strongly everyone has reacted to the presidential scandal, Son appears to be caught up in that as well. Her agency had to clarify a number of things and they have denied any special treatment but no one is believing them.

This might be difficult for someone who's on the outside looking in to grasp, especially with this short post... but every Korean is talking about this and her Instagram is currently being bombarded by haters and supporters alike. I'm still personally torn, I think people are taking it too far but even before all of this, I did think that Son got a lot more attention than what she deserved -- I could never reconcile media putting her on the same level of Yuna Kim... at the same time, I really don't know anything about rhythmic gymnastics. What are your thoughts?
Korean Rhythmic Gymnast Son Yeon Jae in hot waters

lundi 21 novembre 2016

How Would You Change the Sport of Gymnastics?

Hi everyone, I've been a reader of this forum for many, many years, but I don't post very often. However, I was inspired to start a thread after reading IG's brief article about new FIG president Morinari Watanabe's "innovative plans" for the sport. He doesn't actually say anything actionable in the article, but there are a few tidbits that are interesting such as when he says he wants, "to evolve the competition from one for gymnastics fans to the one that generates gymnastics fans." I find it particularly curious since I don't think competitions are really designed for current gymnastics fans to begin with. So... With that said, I'd be interested in hearing other people's ideas about how you would change the sport to make it sustainable (financially, commercially, whatever) and grow the audience in such a way that it supports the athletes, satisfies hardcore gymnastics fans and appeals to a broader audience so it's not relying on the Olympics (or traditional powerhouse countries like the US) to remain popular.

I imagine that most people want to bring back compulsories, stop cutting down the number of athletes per country, etc., but I'm hoping there are other ideas out there.

Here are a couple of ideas that I turn around in my head from time to time:

1) First, I wonder if the FIG can work more directly with individual federations to promote the sport. It's alarming to see countries like Ukraine, Romania and even Australia falling off the gymnastics mat. Thinking about the sport systemically, I just don't think the FIG can do much to grow the sport if the federations can't attract talent or funding for their programs.

2) Second, that code of points. Needs an overhaul, right? A few years ago, Elizabeth Price complained that the current code doesn't encourage some of the more creative or unique skills because they don't carry enough bonus. It made me think that they could experiment with creating a code that is still open-ended but has more constraints on the composition--for example, like requiring A and B skills or putting a cap on the amount of C and D skills. And finally figure out a real way to reward artistry.

3) Lastly, it kills me that TV stations haven't figured out a way to display scores in a user-friendly format. NBC's system of using green, yellow and red lights to indicate a "good score" gets an "A" for effort, but is really sad. Trying to explain to someone how 1.2 (or more) in deductions translates to good or bad is even worse. There's gotta be a better way. Invest in some technology. Something.

Anyway, if you got ideas or just opinions on what's not working for you, I'd be interested in reading them.

FC
How Would You Change the Sport of Gymnastics?

dimanche 20 novembre 2016

Why Dina was robbed (indirectly) of the 1996 Olympic AA title, and directly of silver

With the performances exactly as it actually was Dina was in fact robbed of the Olympic AA silver in 1996. Since her scores on bars, beam, and floor should have been as follows:

Bars- 9.825
Beam- 9.875
Floor- 9.825
Vault- correct

With these new scores she gains enough to push her past Gogean, Milo, Amanar, even with her huge errors on both vaults. So already directly she was robbed of the AA silver.

However practically speaking had she received these scores rather than being tied with Mo Huilan and barely over Lilia (coming up on floor where she is likely to score huge vs Dina on vault where even hitting she just scores mediocre probably) she would have a huge lead on Mo and Lilia. And given that she would in fact now due to her 9.9 vault which she could do easily for a 9.75 type score rather than push for the 10 vault and win. She could have done her 9.9 vault and secured silver or bronze depending how Mo scored on floor if she hit (Lilia was certain to advance to gold past Mo and Dina being only 0.031 if she hit floor since she would score way bigger on floor than either Mo on floor or Dina on vault would), but being the true competitor she was she wanted gold even if it meant trying a 10 vault she realistically could not perform that well. She knew she needed to score in the mid 9.8s to have a chance of holding off a hit Lilia on floor, so she foolishly took the gamble. A gamble which would no longer be needed had she been scored correctly on the other events.

In addition to this, Lilia should have scored no higher than a 9.7 on bars with a big error, and probably like a 9.75 on beam where she had 2 significant errors- grabbing the beam on her Cheng and a big hop on the dismount. Mo should have scored no higher than a 9.7 on beam where her dismount should have been 2 tenths minimum deduction, although she deserved higher than a 9.8 on bars so gets some of that back, but not all of that. Lilia and Mo were the 2 favorites for the AA gold and got some gifts as a result, while Dina was hyped as only the 3rd best Russian hope after Khorkina and Galieva, and her scores reflected that, along with Tim Daggett's hatred of her (Tim has HUGE political power in the gymnastics world).

I wanted to also say she was robbed bigtime of the 94 world AA title where she should have beaten both Milo and Miller by atleast 2 whole tenths. She was robbed of the silver on bars at the 94 worlds where she should have beaten Khorkina, although that Chinese gymnast deserved the gold. She was robbed many times in her career of better achievements by bad judging. The judges hated her, and her own federation plotted against her and favored Khorkina, Galieva, Grosheva, and Fabrichnova all over her.
Why Dina was robbed (indirectly) of the 1996 Olympic AA title, and directly of silver

mercredi 16 novembre 2016

Cottbus Word Cup 2016

*World Cup, of course. :o

It'll begin tomorrow (17.11.) and ends on Sunday (20.11.).

Full schedule (German time):

Thursday
16.30 - 20.00 Qualification I

Friday
16.30 - 20.00 Qualification II

Saturday
14.00 - 17.00 Finals I

Sunday
14.00 - 17.00 Finals II


Notable competitors: (not a strong field, tbh)

WAG
Emily Little
Leah Grießer
Kim Janas (yay!)
Future UCLA Bruin Pauline Tratz
Zsofia Kovacs
Dorina Boczogo
Angelina Kysla

MAG
Andreas Bretschneider
Lukas Dauser
Krisztian Berki (yay!)
Igor Radilov

Full list: http://ift.tt/1RrOp8t
Cottbus Word Cup 2016

samedi 12 novembre 2016

Who is the classiest, nicest, most sportsmanlike gymnast ever?

While there are a number of good choices my pick would be SIMONA AMANAR. She competed in my favorite era ever in gymnastics with my favorite gymnast ever- Dina Kochetkova, and others I either loved or atleast appreciated like Mo Huilan, Lilia Podkopayeva, Milosovici and Gogean, Miller, Dawes, Moceanu, Strug, Furnon, Piskun, Meng Fei, Liu Xuan, Khorkina, etc...She was always gracious in defeat and congratulatory to her competitors, even in dissapointment. It was painful for her I am sure to never get the elusive world/Olympic AA title (well other than the wierd 2000 one) or a major floor title, but she was always professional and positive towards the winners. She was a great teammate both to her older and younger training mates, without the major diva attitude other star Romanians of the time- especialy Milo and Marinescu, tended to adopt. She was incredibly gracious in the extremely difficult and delicate situation of the 2000 Olympic AA finals. Even Khorkina really liked her when Khorkina was well into her major bitch phase at the end of Amanar's career, and that tells you all you need to know.

I also had the pleasue of meeting her in person once and while her English wasnt great she was incredibly kind and friendly.
Who is the classiest, nicest, most sportsmanlike gymnast ever?

vendredi 11 novembre 2016

Myrtle Beach Compulsory Elite qualifier Teams

Arete
Braswell
Coastal Point
Carolina Elite
Everest
First Class
Georgia All star
Georgia Elite\
GAA
Golden City
Gymnastix
Gym revolution
Hills
Iowa Gymnest
KPAC
Kurt Thomas
Lake Murray
Lakewood Ranch
M&M
Mountain Brook
Orlando Metro
Paragon
Pearland
Stars
Shooting Stars
Top Notch
World Class
Myrtle Beach Compulsory Elite qualifier Teams

mercredi 9 novembre 2016

I guess Simone has finally "arrived"

"Jeopardy" is a show I never miss (one of the few I even bother with). I learn how much I know and how much I don't know. The other day Simone Biles appeared in a "question." I was out of the room and didn't get it all, but I heard Alex say something about while there were no more "10s," this gymnast attained this score and won the FX and the AA title. One of the contestants got her name. Nadia has been a "Jeopardy" question more than once, and I think Olga also, but back in the "old days" more everyday Americans knew the names of the athletes on the Soviet team (a few of them, anyway) but could not name any American gymnasts (except maybe Cathy Rigby). If you become a "question" on "Jeopardy" I conclude that you have "arrived."
I guess Simone has finally "arrived"

dimanche 6 novembre 2016

Four Year Early Prediction: Jordan Chiles

We did this with Simone (and I think Ohashi) a while back and it was fun to see the results. So lets do the same with our current upstart Jordan Chiles. SHe hasn't been getting as much attention lately because she wasn't at nats due to injury but I'd say she is still the junior to beat and would've easily beat McCusker.(even on an off day) and probably O'Keefe as well.

She has shown some weird consistency problems though, so that she actually never had a podium finish at junior nats oddly enough. Has a good amanar, nice tumbling (and toe point!) on floor, ok and can be good on both beam and bars if she hits.

What do you guys think?
Four Year Early Prediction: Jordan Chiles

samedi 5 novembre 2016

Tournoi Combs-la-Ville

Junior results

Team:



All-Around:


Tournoi Combs-la-Ville

Swiss Cup 2016

Takes place tomorrow (06.11.) at 12:00 local time.

Teams:

Team Switzerland 1
Ilaria KÄSLIN / Pablo BRÄGGER

Team Switzerland 2
Caterina BARLOGGIO / Eddy YUSOF

Team Germany 1
Kim BUI / Marcel NGUYEN

Team Germany 2
Leah GRIESSER / Lukas DAUSER

Team France
Anne KUHM / Julien GOBAUX

Team Canada
Victoria Kayen WOO / René COURNOYER

Team Netherlands
Eythora THORSDOTTIR / Bart DEURLOO

Team Venezuela/Brazil
Jessica Brizeida LOPEZ AROCHA / Arthur Nory MARIANO

Team Russia
Angelina MELNIKOVA / Nikita IGNATYEV

Team Ukraine (winners last year)
Angelina KYSLA / Oleg VERNIAIEV

Stream: http://ift.tt/2fmHAGW (Swiss VPN needed)
Swiss Cup 2016

mercredi 2 novembre 2016

Gander Memorial 2016

It's underway right now. :)

Scores here: https://twitter.com/GinnasticaIta

Some low scores from Oleg so far. Melnikova had a good DTY, JLo and Eythora are doint fine (though not brilliant) as well.

Stream: http://ift.tt/2eB1IEc
Gander Memorial 2016